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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Friday, May 24, 2013, 21:49 (740 days ago)

I've bought Filson Vests for more than thirty years. For those unfamiliar with the item, it's what I'm wearing in the photo below on the ridge overlooking the Marathon Basin out in West Texas back about fifteen years ago when my mustache wasn't grey.

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I learn from their catalogue that came in today's post that Filson is now asking $110 for a plain canvas vest, the so-called Cruiser vest. I don't expect to pay $11 for such a thing and have it made in some Third World sweat shop that ends up in the news, but somehow $110 seems on the steep side. This is, after all, the same catalogue that advertises $200 dog beds.

Is there any other company making something similar in the US or am I condemned to pay boutique prices for my vests?

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by Jim Frame @, Davis, CA, Friday, May 24, 2013, 21:54 (740 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

I've done some half-hearted searching for an ANSI-approved vest that replicates the pocket arrangement of the Filson Cruiser, to no avail. If you come up with something, please let me know.

In the mean time, I've been buying my Filsons on eBay (I prefer the blaze orange variety for visibility, both to my assistant and to oncoming vehicles). Sometimes new, sometimes lightly used, but always at a substantial discount to list. Best price I've gotten new was about $40. Worst price I've paid for used was around $60.

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Filson Vest

by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Friday, May 24, 2013, 21:58 (740 days ago) @ Jim Frame

I've done some half-hearted searching for an ANSI-approved vest that replicates the pocket arrangement of the Filson Cruiser, to no avail. If you come up with something, please let me know.

In the mean time, I've been buying my Filsons on eBay (I prefer the blaze orange variety for visibility, both to my assistant and to oncoming vehicles).

The blaze orange are still made of a polyester blend, aren't they? In a warm climate, 100% cotton is more comfortable since it wicks perspiration (of which there is plenty) away from the perspirer.

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Filson Vest

by davidinbrisbane, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 03:06 (739 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

Kent,
i use cotton vests from FORRESTRY SUPPLIES in CANADA, they mail to Australia. They will custom make from your design, pockets as required to your diamentions, for about $100 or so. The orange fades in time, but they will sew on any amount of reflective strips to compensate.
Cheers
David

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 23:53 (739 days ago) @ davidinbrisbane

i use cotton vests from FORRESTRY SUPPLIES in CANADA, they mail to Australia. They will custom make from your design, pockets as required to your diamentions, for about $100 or so.

David, I've done some searching on the web and am not sure I've identified the enterprise you mentioned. Do you have a URL for them?

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Filson Vest

by Duane Frymire @, Sunday, May 26, 2013, 05:25 (738 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Sunday, May 26, 2013, 08:09 (738 days ago) @ Duane Frymire

One that might be of interest is on sale:

http://www.forestry-suppliers.com/product_pages/View_Catalog_Page.asp?mi=11013

Yes, that definitely looks as if it would be worth trying.

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by Kevin Samuel @, Bend, OR, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 04:56 (739 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

Yes, $200 dog beds and $1200 man purses!

I stopped in their retail store in Portland OR. I am no behemoth but the cut of their clothing is suspect... billowy shirts with extremely tight cuffs. It seems to me their clothing is trending more towards designer than functional.

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 22:02 (739 days ago) @ Kevin Samuel

Yes, $200 dog beds and $1200 man purses!

I stopped in their retail store in Portland OR. I am no behemoth but the cut of their clothing is suspect... billowy shirts with extremely tight cuffs. It seems to me their clothing is trending more towards designer than functional.

Yeah, my guess is that C.C. Filson is being run by some Wall Street type with romantic visions of what it would be like to actually work outdoors and need suitable clothing. At least it's made in the US. I can't fault them for that. The $200 dog beds? Yes, I can fault them for that.

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Filson Vest

by party chef @, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 06:24 (739 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

One thing to keep in mind about Filson clothing is that they will repair their product free for life. That includes damage caused by regular wear and tear as well as from abuse. I had a Filson wool shirt that I brought back to them many times, first the put elbow patches on it and kept on repairing it until it looked like Frankenshirt, eventually I felt a bit embarrassed as the shirt was so far gone so I bought a new one instead of further exploiting the policy. I then promptly left the brand new shirt unattended for a bit on a survey in town and it walked off on me.

If you have to pay for shipping I suppose that cost would have to be considered but if you live in Seattle it is a pretty killer arrangement, I am actually dropping off my tin overalls for new knee patches this weekend.

While totally different from the vest you seek I have been kind of fascinated with these vests that have a internal frame and back pack straps,

http://www.deakin.com/shop/products/?p=5317

If anyone has a review of one I would appreciate hearing about it.

Also I am in the market for a new machete, if anyone has a solid recommendation I would dig hearing about that as well, preferably something that could be found in Seattle but I can order online if it is worth it.

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by Dave Karoly, Sacramento, CA, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 07:04 (739 days ago) @ party chef

Ontario knife.

Or just get a pair of gear loppers, less damage to elbows.

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by Bryan Newsome @, Driftwood, TX, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 10:23 (739 days ago) @ party chef

10-4 on Ontario Knife. I've been using the military surplus blades for over 35 years. Heavy, good quality steel, keeps a good edge. You can find one with an 18" blade, add the sheath to your web gear belt, and squat down to draw in the fieldbook without the blade handle shoving into your side.

For light trimming, or for covert trimming near a house, I use loppers. A heck-uv-a-lot quieter than swinging a blade. Helps keep the neighbors from looking out the window.

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by A Harris @, NE Texas, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 13:12 (739 days ago) @ party chef

Ontario Knife

The 18in is a handy cutting blade.

The 22in is for the heavy lifting day.

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by Dave Karoly, Sacramento, CA, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 21:15 (739 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

I switched from Filson to an ML Kishigo vest which is pretty good but cheaply made. The reflective tape is coming off.

I like having the zippered rear pocket and there are generally more pockets. The Cruiser was a pain in rough country (very steep, sometimes a lot of huckleberry). Stuff keeps falling out of the back pocket when scrambling over logs or boot skiing down a steep slope. The ML Kishigo vest also has water bottle pockets which are handy.

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Saturday, May 25, 2013, 21:29 (739 days ago) @ Dave Karoly

I switched from Filson to an ML Kishigo vest which is pretty good but cheaply made. The reflective tape is coming off.

I like having the zippered rear pocket and there are generally more pockets. The Cruiser was a pain in rough country (very steep, sometimes a lot of huckleberry). Stuff keeps falling out of the back pocket when scrambling over logs or boot skiing down a steep slope. The ML Kishigo vest also has water bottle pockets which are handy.

My favorite features of the Filson Cruiser Vest (which I wear in the stealth khaki version seen in the photo above, except when I'm working on ranches during hunting season), are:

- inside pockets perfect size for field book,
- tall, narrow upper front pockets perfect size for pencils, scribe, center punch and hand level,
- relatively rugged fabric, somewhat water resistant, that won't rip on barbed wire fences or thorny vines and shrubs,
- side pockets large enough to hold compass, clinometer, and assorted Allen wrenches.

I seldom use the back pocket.

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by Dave Karoly, Sacramento, CA, Sunday, May 26, 2013, 07:19 (738 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

The back pocket is for a folding garden saw, extra water and sometimes my sandwich (lunch).

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Sunday, May 26, 2013, 23:12 (738 days ago) @ Dave Karoly

The back pocket is for a folding garden saw, extra water and sometimes my sandwich (lunch).

I would never carry your lunch in the back pocket of my Filson. As for extra water, that's what canteens are for. If you need more water than your canteen holds, it's time to buy a larger canteen.

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Filson Vest

by LRDay @, South Central Utah, Sunday, May 26, 2013, 07:21 (738 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

I have a Filson Style 8, Size 46. Probably purchased early 90's. Not real worn, has some stains (might wash out). Somebody want it for $50?

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by BruceRupar @, Wood County, Texas, Sunday, May 26, 2013, 17:57 (738 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

Too small for me or I would jump on it:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Filson-Tin-Cruiser-Vest-Style-8-Made-In-USA-100-Cotton-Mens-40-...

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by Kris Morgan ⌂ @, Rusk, Texas, Sunday, May 26, 2013, 18:08 (738 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

I realize most of your work is off road; however, you may remember in 2010 whereby a law was passed that all workers working on highways that received federal funding are required to wear class II safety vests. According to TxDOT, all roads maintained by them are subject to this law.

So, in light of that, we had to procure those vests. SECO makes a class II vest with a wicking material lined in it. I believe the number is 8603. They satisfy the federal law and wick moisture away as well as the old filson I had and better than any fishing vest I tried. They are the same price as the filson you quoted above and have more storage for water than my old cruisers vest.

It's just a thought as you work in the highway ROW at times.

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Sunday, May 26, 2013, 18:20 (738 days ago) @ Kris Morgan

I realize most of your work is off road; however, you may remember in 2010 whereby a law was passed that all workers working on highways that received federal funding are required to wear class II safety vests. According to TxDOT, all roads maintained by them are subject to this law.

Yes, if I'm ever so foolish as to subcontract with TxDOT to do work for them, I'll keep that in mind. :> I don't see it happening.

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by Jim Frame @, Davis, CA, Sunday, May 26, 2013, 22:00 (738 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

Yes, if I'm ever so foolish as to subcontract with TxDOT to do work for them, I'll keep that in mind.

My understanding is that the MUTCD rules apply to anyone working in the right-of-way of a highway that receives federal funds, not just to workers employed on a federal highway project.

In my home county, the highway designation includes many -- if not all -- county roads, since federal funds are often used to supplement local funds for repair and maintenance projects. What I don't know is whether the requirement persists after the project is complete and federal funding ends, though I expect that there's some rule on the county's books that requires compliance with the MUTCD.

So far I haven't been busted for having a non-compliant vest, but I figure it's coming.

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Sunday, May 26, 2013, 22:50 (738 days ago) @ Jim Frame

My understanding is that the MUTCD rules apply to anyone working in the right-of-way of a highway that receives federal funds, not just to workers employed on a federal highway project.

Okay, but doesn't enforcement of that presuppose that some constable or deputy sheriff will have a clue as to which State highways receive federal funding? More importantly, if the federal funding is limited to just the maintenance of the pavement, where is the authority to extend the rule to the entire right-of-way? In Texas, many State highways run in easements only. The strips of land were not acquired in fee simple. So, the desire to limit what a landowner or his land surveyors may do within land that he still owns is an extra-constitutional taking of some right not granted by the original conveyance.

So far I haven't been busted for having a non-compliant vest, but I figure it's coming.

Actually, I had one TxDOT guy give me some static about not having the "INCREASE SPEED FOR SURVEYORS IN R-O-W AHEAD" signs out, but I told him that I'd contacted the District Office (which I did) and was informed by one of the engineers (which I was) that if you weren't a TxDOT contractor, you were under no obligation to put the signs up so that motorists would know to speed up and give you a run for your money.

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by Dave Karoly, Sacramento, CA, Monday, May 27, 2013, 06:40 (737 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

Whenever I see a SURVEY CREW sign I think, "Oh how nice, they are doing a survey of the motorist's highway experience today."

Typically even the inmate weed eater crew has more safety equipment than the survey crew.

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Monday, May 27, 2013, 08:37 (737 days ago) @ Dave Karoly

Typically even the inmate weed eater crew has more safety equipment than the survey crew.

I can see that if a survey were being made along the pavement or shoulders of a highway, that it probably would be impossible to have too much safety equipment. However, virtually all land survey operations I engage in along highways are in the vicinity of the right-of-way line and so far off the pavement that it would be quite a challenge for a motorist to follow in a vehicle.

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by Dave Karoly, Sacramento, CA, Monday, May 27, 2013, 09:43 (737 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

Even the Caltrans Survey Crew has one SURVEY CREW sign about 6 miles before the Surveyor usually set up on the shoulder with no much in the way of other warning devices.

Sometimes on rural routes the sign is actually almost in the vicinity of the crew.

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by Jim Frame @, Davis, CA, Monday, May 27, 2013, 10:06 (737 days ago) @ Dave Karoly

Sometimes on rural routes the sign is actually almost in the vicinity of the crew.

My rule of thumb on county roads is 0.2 mile from sign to site. I figure that gives the drivers enough time to see the crew (usually just me), but not so much that they lose focus. It also keeps the sign-shuttle time down to a reasonable amount. And it's also more-or-less compliant with the MUTCD.

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by Dave Karoly, Sacramento, CA, Monday, May 27, 2013, 11:00 (737 days ago) @ Jim Frame

I have noticed on some higher speed highways they have started to add signs.

Say one at the MUTCD distance and sometimes 2 or 3 more as you get closer.

I wonder why Surveyors are the only people working in the R/W with a task specific sign. Everyone else uses either ROAD WORK AHEAD or SHOULDER WORK AHEAD.

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by Bow Tie Surveyor ⌂ @, North-Central Florida, Monday, May 27, 2013, 12:00 (737 days ago) @ Dave Karoly

I have noticed on some higher speed highways they have started to add signs.

Say one at the MUTCD distance and sometimes 2 or 3 more as you get closer.

I wonder why Surveyors are the only people working in the R/W with a task specific sign. Everyone else uses either ROAD WORK AHEAD or SHOULDER WORK AHEAD.

I remember Florida DOT required at least 3 sets of signs for every direction of traffic. So you needed a minimum of 6 signs for the roadway and 12 for a four-way intersection. And I think that the 1st sign had to have flags and the signs were placed 500 feet apart from each other. They were starting to get picky about what kind of sign stands we used as well. They had to be crash tested. About that time, I left the DOT world.

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by RADAR ⌂ @, Puyallup WA, Monday, May 27, 2013, 13:34 (737 days ago) @ Bow Tie Surveyor

I remember Florida DOT required at least 3 sets of signs for every direction of traffic. So you needed a minimum of 6 signs for the roadway and 12 for a four-way intersection. And I think that the 1st sign had to have flags and the signs were placed 500 feet apart from each other....


It might be ironic; but I would say that is OverKill.....:snarky:

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by Kris Morgan ⌂ @, Rusk, Texas, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 05:31 (736 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

My understanding is that the MUTCD rules apply to anyone working in the right-of-way of a highway that receives federal funds, not just to workers employed on a federal highway project.


Okay, but doesn't enforcement of that presuppose that some constable or deputy sheriff will have a clue as to which State highways receive federal funding? More importantly, if the federal funding is limited to just the maintenance of the pavement, where is the authority to extend the rule to the entire right-of-way? In Texas, many State highways run in easements only. The strips of land were not acquired in fee simple. So, the desire to limit what a landowner or his land surveyors may do within land that he still owns is an extra-constitutional taking of some right not granted by the original conveyance.

So far I haven't been busted for having a non-compliant vest, but I figure it's coming.


Actually, I had one TxDOT guy give me some static about not having the "INCREASE SPEED FOR SURVEYORS IN R-O-W AHEAD" signs out, but I told him that I'd contacted the District Office (which I did) and was informed by one of the engineers (which I was) that if you weren't a TxDOT contractor, you were under no obligation to put the signs up so that motorists would know to speed up and give you a run for your money.

First, at least in our small county, all deputies understand it as they too are required to wear Class II gear in the ROW and they got the same memo. Second, it extends to the entire ROW since federal funding also is used in maintaining the ROW (i.e. mowing).

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 06:28 (736 days ago) @ Kris Morgan

First, at least in our small county, all deputies understand it as they too are required to wear Class II gear in the ROW and they got the same memo.

Yeah, the emergency responders like fire fighters and law enforcement officers who are working along the pavement and in among traffic obviously need the additional visibility. That only makes sense. Common sense also says that someone who is somewhere in the right-of-way that a car can't get to is in a different category.

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by Kris Morgan ⌂ @, Rusk, Texas, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 05:28 (736 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

It has nothing to do if you subcontract to them, but if you are simply conducting business within their R.O.W. It's a federal law.

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Self-employed subject to OSHA rules?

by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 06:31 (736 days ago) @ Kris Morgan

It has nothing to do if you subcontract to them, but if you are simply conducting business within their R.O.W. It's a federal law.

Can you cite a reference for this "law"? The only requirements I've found so far are those of this federal rule:

"All workers within the right-of-way of a Federal-aid highway who are exposed either to traffic (vehicles using the highway for purposes of travel) or to construction equipment within the work area shall wear high-visibility safety apparel."

That does not cover the surveying operations that I do since I am neither exposed to traffic nor construction equipment.

More fundamentally, as a self-employed person, I don't believe that I'm subject to the same OSHA rules that any employees I had would be.

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by A Harris @, NE Texas, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 08:33 (736 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

This and the new law to slow down when in an area with any work signs and with any flashing lights to a speed 20mph below normal speed limit are part of the new traffic codes being passed every year that enable our DPS officers to fulfill their quotas.

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Kent sure.

by Kris Morgan ⌂ @, Rusk, Texas, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 08:44 (736 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

CFR 2007

As you're aware, when discussing "rules" as promulgated by Administrative Agencies, such as the TSA one might say, they do not pass "laws" but their "rules" have the same effect as "laws" and can and are used interchangeably. For instance, the TSA has a rule that says you cannot take a loaded pistol on a plane, but you will face a judge if you break that "rule".

All that being said, I don't really care if you heed the rule/law or not. I was pointing it out as people (workers), even those under 11 employees who are not subject to OSHA rules (that pesky rule/law thing again) are subject to it. While I am a firefighter when I'm not a surveyor, and that was how I learned about it, during our briefing with TxDOT, I asked the pointed question about ALL individuals within their rights-of-ways, and the answer from the general counsel had come down from on high, that any individual, working, regardless of their job, within their ROW, must conform to this new rule/law, lest they be ticketed by the Texas Department of Safety.

Feel free to disregard this if you wish. Texas' enforcement of it may be contrary to the Federal RULE, but it is what is being enforced.

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 08:59 (736 days ago) @ Kris Morgan

I asked the pointed question about ALL individuals within their rights-of-ways, and the answer from the general counsel had come down from on high, that any individual, working, regardless of their job, within their ROW, must conform to this new rule/law, lest they be ticketed by the Texas Department of Safety.

Well, if you read the actual rule, you have to be exposed to traffic or construction equipment. Simply being one whose duties require him to walk in the right-of-way merely qualifies you as a "worker". If you want to rely upon some TxDOT attorney to interpret all laws for you, be my guest. :>

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Kent sure.

by Kris Morgan ⌂ @, Rusk, Texas, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 13:27 (736 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

I asked the pointed question about ALL individuals within their rights-of-ways, and the answer from the general counsel had come down from on high, that any individual, working, regardless of their job, within their ROW, must conform to this new rule/law, lest they be ticketed by the Texas Department of Safety.


Well, if you read the actual rule, you have to be exposed to traffic or construction equipment. Simply being one whose duties require him to walk in the right-of-way merely qualifies you as a "worker". If you want to rely upon some TxDOT attorney to interpret all laws for you, be my guest. :>

I feel confident in saying that those individuals who might issue someone a citation for violation of the rule, got their information and direction from the same place.

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by Kris Morgan ⌂ @, Rusk, Texas, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 08:48 (736 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

It has nothing to do if you subcontract to them, but if you are simply conducting business within their R.O.W. It's a federal law.


Can you cite a reference for this "law"? The only requirements I've found so far are those of this federal rule:

"All workers within the right-of-way of a Federal-aid highway who are exposed either to traffic (vehicles using the highway for purposes of travel) or to construction equipment within the work area shall wear high-visibility safety apparel."

That does not cover the surveying operations that I do since I am neither exposed to traffic nor construction equipment.

More fundamentally, as a self-employed person, I don't believe that I'm subject to the same OSHA rules that any employees I had would be.

I believe the key word here is "OR". Kinda like when in 1987 the Texas legislature redefined what is a subdivision and changed "and" to "or" for division of land.

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 09:03 (736 days ago) @ Kris Morgan

"All workers within the right-of-way of a Federal-aid highway who are exposed either to traffic (vehicles using the highway for purposes of travel) or to construction equipment within the work area shall wear high-visibility safety apparel."

I believe the key word here is "OR". Kinda like when in 1987 the Texas legislature redefined what is a subdivision and changed "and" to "or" for division of land.

Actually, the point was that if you are neither exposed to vehicles using the highway for purposes of travel nor to construction equipment, the rule doesn't apply to you as a surveyor even if you fall within the definition of "worker".

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by Kris Morgan ⌂ @, Rusk, Texas, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 13:24 (736 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

"All workers within the right-of-way of a Federal-aid highway who are exposed either to traffic (vehicles using the highway for purposes of travel) or to construction equipment within the work area shall wear high-visibility safety apparel."

I believe the key word here is "OR". Kinda like when in 1987 the Texas legislature redefined what is a subdivision and changed "and" to "or" for division of land.


Actually, the point was that if you are neither exposed to vehicles using the highway for purposes of travel nor to construction equipment, the rule doesn't apply to you as a surveyor even if you fall within the definition of "worker".

If you want to contend that being within the right-of-way of a road does not expose one to traffic, or construction, then be my guest. Most rational individuals would submit that those limits for roadway purposes, expose one to traffic, or construction.

Please, by all means, just buy the other vest. I get that you cannot admit when you're wrong, and argue like hell to the contrary (I think for your own personal enjoyment) but I don't really care Kent and you're wrong on this matter. Truly I tell you, I was trying to help initially, but now, I find it hard to find the effort to care less about this subject.

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 13:30 (736 days ago) @ Kris Morgan

If you want to contend that being within the right-of-way of a road does not expose one to traffic, or construction, then be my guest. Most rational individuals would submit that those limits for roadway purposes, expose one to traffic, or construction.

I guess they haven't stood in some of the places in some of the rights-of-way I have. "Expose" refers to the risk of being struck by a motor vehicle. There are plenty of places where that risk is vanishingly small. As for construction, as a general rule if there is no equipment at work, no earth being moved, no nothing, the risk of a caterpillar arriving from nowhere to strike a surveyor is likewise minuscule. Fun fact!

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by R.J. Schneider @, Monday, May 27, 2013, 11:17 (737 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

Kent,
It sure looks like you need some flo-orange in your world. At first glimpse that photo appears to be something straight out of a Tony Hillerman novel. It almost needs a caption like "About the author".
Something to consider would be the durability of the vest. I can't count how many shirts and jeans i've lost to fences and thorns.

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Monday, May 27, 2013, 13:00 (737 days ago) @ R.J. Schneider

Something to consider would be the durability of the vest. I can't count how many shirts and jeans i've lost to fences and thorns.

Yes, that is the strong point of the Filson cotton tin cloth Cruiser vests. They don't rip very easily at all, so if you're wearing one, you're unlikely to tear a shirt when you step through a barbed wire fence.

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by Dave Karoly, Sacramento, CA, Monday, May 27, 2013, 13:35 (737 days ago) @ R.J. Schneider

These pants are surprisingly durable and rip free:

http://bdu.com/mens-genuine-gear-lightweight-tactical-pants/black#/15787/657,693/1

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by Bow Tie Surveyor ⌂ @, North-Central Florida, Monday, May 27, 2013, 18:06 (737 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

My old boss would wear a Filson vest like that. He used to do quite a bit of work in Alaska which I think is where he started wearing them. In Florida, it looks like it would be to hot for me. When he would work in the summer with it, he would often not wear a shirt. I have never been to Texas. Does it get as hot and humid as it does in Florida?

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by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Monday, May 27, 2013, 18:38 (737 days ago) @ Bow Tie Surveyor

My old boss would wear a Filson vest like that. [...] In Florida, it looks like it would be to hot for me. [...] I have never been to Texas. Does it get as hot and humid as it does in Florida?

I'm under the impression that it doesn't get all that hot in Florida. "Hot" by Texas standards means over 105degF. Below that, it's "warm". As for humid, I doubt that where I like to work in Central and West Texas that it gets humid by Florida standards. Houston and East Texas would be another story.

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Kent.... to paraphrase James Carville

by Robert Hill @, St. Tammany Parish, LA, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 07:10 (736 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

It's the Humidity Stupid


that gives you the heat index..

Heat Index see table

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Kent.... to paraphrase James Carville

by Kent McMillan @, Austin, TX, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 07:48 (736 days ago) @ Robert Hill

It's the Humidity Stupid

Well, if someone asks me how hot it is, I assume they're asking about the temperature. In Looziana, your mileage may vary, I understand. :>

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by John @, Baltimore, MD, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 07:30 (736 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

In MD, summers can easily see 100+ with high humidity. At those times, I am absolutely Begging to be somewhere less humid. 100+ is hot anywhere, but when high humidity is added, the Only comfort is A/C (or preferably a walk-in freezer). In lower humidity climates, one is able to attain relative comfort by finding shade or a place to swim.... neither of which offer significant comfort in high humidity.

Florida can and does get quite hot and humid during the summer.

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by Dave Karoly, Sacramento, CA, Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 18:38 (736 days ago) @ Kent McMillan

Keeeeeeent!

Come over to the dark side!

Use the force, Kent!

Dump the Filson, there are better alternatives available on the market!

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