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Jim Frame
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There's an interesting article in the New York Times about the legal intricacies of accessing public land that's boxed in by private land.  One concept currently being tested in court is known as "corner crossing," in which access to one public parcel from another that's diagonally-adjacent is accomplished at the common corner.  The private owner is claiming $7M in damages for the airspace crossing of a few square feet (square inches?) of his land at the corner by the defendants, a group of hunters.

Note that the Times has a paywall, so if you're not a subscriber and don't know any paywall-avoidance tricks, you may not be able to access the article.

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Posted : November 26, 2022 8:55 am
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Time to raise public land grazing fees and tax private landowners that sell guided hunts or lease to hunters at commercial property rates. Sometimes you have to be an a-hole to get the point across to an a-hole. Reduced tax rates were intended to help out farmers who actually farmed not wealthy landowners and corporations.

 
Posted : November 26, 2022 9:43 am
thebionicman
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Corner Crossing is a huge issue here in Idaho. Our trespass law clearly prohibits it and penalties are harsh...

 
Posted : November 26, 2022 11:49 am

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This has been an ongoing case for a few years now.  Sad that the judicial system found merit with a 7 million dollar claim. 

In Colorado, non destructive trespassing has a threshold of 1 dollar if no damage is done, but I learned that years ago so maybe I'll research and see how wrong I've become....but 7 million?? GMAFB!!!!!! Prove the loss.  stop wasting judicial procedure for rich appropriating schmucks....

 

 

 
Posted : November 26, 2022 2:06 pm
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@jitterboogie 

I'm probably wrong here, but, I imagine their damages are based on loss of potential income because the corner crossing hunters are not paying to hunt on their land instead.  If I recall correctly, the landowners don't live there but are a group from South Carolina or somewhere like that who have purchased this ground strictly to engage in providing high dollar hunting for the rich and wanna-be rich.

 
Posted : November 26, 2022 4:04 pm
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still...7 million? C'mon

 

That needs to be proven. 

This is a case where an attorney or law firm is rolling up hours and trying to get paid for it.  

Counterclaim suit and maybe a judicial review of the firm and individuals bringing the suit.

The wildlife belongs to the public, so  unless they want to go all Texas Game ranch and fence in the animals they're raising them selves, screw em.

 

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Posted : November 26, 2022 7:37 pm

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Ahem. The owners are from North Carolina. By inferring that North Carolina and South Carolina are in some sense alike, you have insulted the residents of both states.

It's like saying that Garmin is headquartered in Oklahoma or some place like that.

Geeeez!

 
Posted : November 27, 2022 5:46 am
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If I were on a jury, I would award them only any damages to their fence.

Losing exclusivity of access to public land merits no damages.

 
Posted : November 27, 2022 6:00 am
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if there is that much money in hunting, then a shrewd outfitter or guide should hire helicopters.  Almost all land has some access be it deeded or prescriptive to include an old 'goat trail' or wagon trail, or an old surveyors blazed line.  The rights to that access will be at issue.

The landowners should beware as the Courts could set a precedence for access to public lands - think beach access.

Is eminent domain taking an option?

thanks Jim for bringing this up.  Could backfire on the plaintiff

 
Posted : November 27, 2022 8:34 am
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holy cow
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A thousand times I say "Sorry about that."

Our area has been infested with a couple of filthy rich doctors from South Carolina buying deer hunting land.  Over 15 years ago I stopped to offer help to what appeared to be pickup that was out of place and discovered it was a film crew from some show about hunting that was based in South Carolina.

Garmin headquarters is within ten miles of being in Missouri, so I could see some confusion that way but not with Okiehoma.

I have circumnavigated NC but have only spent about 20 minutes of my life in SC.

 
Posted : November 27, 2022 10:47 am
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They need to go hopping in Missouri where they're from. The gall of these people is breath-taking. Creeps and scum.

Of course there's the bigger question of "Federal" lands in Wyoming. 77% of the state is occupied and it shouldn't have happened. The lands should have become State when the State entered the union in 1890, the feds went back on the promise to dispose of these lands and here we are. Kick the Feds out and get back all the minerals that were taken,,,,,,plus interest.

These creeps have plenty of "Federal" lands to hunt. Go back to Missouri whence you came from,,,,,get lost. 

 
Posted : November 27, 2022 11:26 am
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@holy-cow 

My comment, I hope you know, was tongue in cheek, but I know the problem well. We met the owners of a NC beach house that we had rented for several consecutive years and found that they were from Illinois. Another one with a pool is owned by a software mogul in Michigan. 

And, if you parse through the ownership information on the Jackson Hole GIS site, you'll see that the carpetbaggers have gained more than a foothold there.

Locally, Cary, NC, is known as the Containment Area for Relocated Yankees. They brought money, though, so they're welcome.

 
Posted : November 27, 2022 1:43 pm
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@holy-cow 

..the Containment Area for Relocated Yankees. They brought money, though, so they're welcome.

 

I thought that was the sixth borough of NYC in most of southern Florida, or is that another whole other place of northern escapees.....

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Posted : November 27, 2022 2:03 pm
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I couldn't (won't pay) access the article.  How was the $7M worth of damages calculated?  I was under the impression that the NC landowner was claiming that the loss of his exclusive access to public lands devalued his parcel.  I was unclear as to how the hunters could be held liable for damages related to the interpretation of a law and assumed there must be more to the $7M figure.

 
Posted : November 27, 2022 2:41 pm
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Posted by: @mathteacher

Locally, Cary, NC, is known as the Containment Area for Relocated Yankees. They brought money, though, so they're welcome.

In the areas of North Georgia and North Carolina with which I am familiar they are know as "Halfbacks".  They moved from New York, Ohio, Michigan, etc. to South Florida to escape the cold.  Then along comes a hurricane or two and they head back about halfway home.

Andy

 

 
Posted : November 27, 2022 2:46 pm

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