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not my real name
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Recently there have been a rash of delinquent clients and one that I have pursued for more than a year has apparently gone to mediation.

Today I got a call from the mediator explaining that the delinquent client will allow me to keep the retainer amount he paid to secure my services, but will refuse payment of the balance because my survey is wrong. He also made a vague reference to documents the client showed him that will prove my survey is wrong.

I am amused, and will not hesitate to see this delinquent client in court. How generous of him to "allow" me to keep my retainer fee. Because, he states, through the mediator, in court he will ask the judge to award him all the money back. Now I am sure that we will see him in court.

I told the mediator that the delinquent client has signed a contract for the work thereby requiring him to pay. Also, if he had information about his survey that he did not disclose or deliberately concealed, except to use in refuting my fee, then that is wrong and any judge will see that.

Besides the delinquent client's juvenile and delusional claims, the land was part of a recorded subdivision plan and can hardly be viewed as disputable.

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Topic starter Posted : July 13, 2021 11:32 am
BushAxe, JPH, FL/GA and 5 people liked
Williwaw
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Every survey contract should have a ‘juvenile and delusional’ delinquent client clause. Withholding relevant documents as proof to wit.

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Posted : July 13, 2021 11:50 am
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@williwaw 

Indeed.

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Topic starter Posted : July 13, 2021 12:08 pm

Jitterboogie
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Is mediation called out in the specific contract language?

I prefer not making mediation automatic as an incentive to show the intent to resolve pre-trial. Most reasonable people deserve to try to settle and be human.

That way if they are refusing to meditate, then unfold the disaster they initiated by breech, and perfect those liens, release the hounds, and then call Moose and Rocko.

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Posted : July 13, 2021 1:29 pm
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@jitterboogie 

The mediation is not called out in the contract language. It is at the suggestion of the court.

 

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Topic starter Posted : July 13, 2021 2:10 pm
Jitterboogie
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@not-my-real-name 

Of course.  Why waste their time and money when you can lose and waste more of yours first.

I've learned to just use the process, and if the judge actually orders mediation as is their perogative and power to do so, so be it.

Otherwise screw the other side before they screw you. It really is an adversarial engagement, looking at it any other way is misleading the truth of the process.

Good luck.

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Posted : July 13, 2021 2:22 pm
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Mike Marks
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[  .  .  .  ] but will refuse payment of the balance because my survey is wrong. He also made a vague reference to documents the client showed him that will prove my survey is wrong.

That would alert my spidey-sense.  I'd request proffer of "the documents" because in mediation both sides have to lay it all out on the table.

I'm suspicious this "mediator" is not on the up and up.  Mediation is carefully controlled by the courts.  An "apparent mediation" is not how it works.  Has this stuff happened:

  • Did either of you file a complaint, lien or lawsuit and then both agree to enter mediation?  If so, they mediation must occur within 150 days or so after the court approves, not drag on for over a year.
  • There's lots of paperwork involved and it should be clear you've agreed to mediation by signature.
  • Mediation is a formal procedure where an in-person meeting occurs, or rarely the parties are separated into different rooms to avoid fisticuffs.  Sometimes a second meeting occurs a few weeks later.
  • Mediators charge $150/hr for a limited civil action such as yours and typical meetings last less than two hours, payment split half and half.  Have you met your client over the table with a court approved mediator and coughed up $150+-  for the experience?  If not no mediation has occurred.

 

This stuff has happened:

  • "Today I got a call from the mediator explaining that [  .  .  .  ]"  Never heard of that happening!  The mediator represents you both and a private phone discussion with only one party would be way out of line.  Mediator's are selected by the Court after completing an application and adhere to strict ethical standards.  You can file a complaint concerning a mediator to the Court if you feel unethical activity has occurred.
  • The "mediator" made a formal offer of the retainer fee only, not the contract amount.  This is tricky, as going to Court could cost thousands and a half a jug of honey is better than spending 4 times the money for a full jug.
  • "[  .  .  .  ] the land was part of a recorded subdivision plan and can hardly be viewed as disputable."  My take is the survey couldn't have been that expensive and sucking up a small loss is better than entering litigation.  The best advice I've gotten from attorneys is my beef is not worth pursuing cost wise so get the best deal you can in mediation, even though I'm absolutely right.

I pontificate because I've been involved in about half dozen mediations in my life, privately concerning car wrecks, medical malpractice and warranty work, and at work concerning some tricky questions concerning culpability and unforeseen conditions which amounted to a few hundred thousand dollars.  Mediation resulted in both parties feeling butt hurt, but  avoided going to court where it's a game of high stakes poker. 

Seems you're totally in the right and a court would honor your contract but don't get all hussy and spend thousands in court chasing hundreds.  The mediation should have proven your contract and I'm surprised you're being stiffed so there's something wrong here.  If a real mediation is occurring continue to demand your full fee for services rendered and get the best deal you can to avoid court.

 

This post was modified 3 months ago 2 times by Mike Marks
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Posted : July 13, 2021 2:24 pm
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@jitterboogie 

I agree. Considering the delinquent client's case is simply that the survey is "wrong" I am beginning to think that it would be a waste of my time to settle this anywhere else but in the court.

Thank you.

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Topic starter Posted : July 13, 2021 2:27 pm
Jitterboogie
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@not-my-real-name 

And:

WEIW

IANAL

just learned by that great university of hard knocks.

 

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Posted : July 13, 2021 2:29 pm

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@mike-marks 

Thank you for the advice. This the first ever experience for me with mediation and court. In the past threatening letters worked to elicit the payment I was requesting. This guy is just stubborn, crazy or both.

 

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Topic starter Posted : July 13, 2021 2:34 pm
Bill93
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My first step would be to demand any information bearing on the correctness of the survey. Dollars to donuts that turns out to be the county GIS or a phone app.

If they actually have information that would change your mind, then it gets corrected without adding to the original contract price.

If their information is useless, tell them how certain you are they will lose in court. Maybe send them some case files.

Maintain a strong front up until the last minute before going to court and then settle for what you can get out of court.

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Posted : July 13, 2021 2:40 pm
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@bill93 

I agree. Thank you.

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Topic starter Posted : July 13, 2021 2:48 pm

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@jitterboogie 

What is WEIW?

I know from a recent post that IANAL means I am not a lawyer.

I can't seem to Google the other one. 

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Topic starter Posted : July 13, 2021 2:52 pm
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@mike-marks 

Also I was the one that filed with the court. I have not agreed to mediation, and may not. The mediator contacted me and told me that the delinquent client has suggested mediation.

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Topic starter Posted : July 13, 2021 2:57 pm
Jitterboogie
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@not-my-real-name 

Who(m) ever is wondering. 😎 

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