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Is this practice acceptable in your office?

holy cow
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Found a new survey with the standard labeling on the drawing either being readable from the standard left to right view and the standard top to bottom view and the non-standard bottom to top view.  Or some would reverse those last two as to which is their standard.  Not sure I've ever seen a drawing dropping the view position willy nilly for no particular reason.

This was not a case of having the text follow the alignment of the direction of traversing the perimeter.  This was on a 24 x 36 sheet, so for those who must rotate the sheet to read the text it would require flip flopping for no visible reason.

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Topic starter Posted : June 9, 2021 4:57 pm
Nate The Surveyor
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Proper drafting, reads from bottom, and right sides.

Worksheets are Willy nilly.

It may be good data, with poor presentation.

I'd prefer that, to bad data, and perfect presentation.

Cad hides a multitude of sins.

Nate

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Posted : June 10, 2021 5:22 am
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Allen Wrench
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I was always taught by old-school guys that north is either up or to the left, and the text reads west to east.  I think this is the same as what Nate's saying.

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Posted : June 10, 2021 6:27 am
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JPH
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@allen-wrench

I was told similarly, but with text reading up, it was until you hit 10 deg left of the page north, then the text read down.

Knew a surveyor who made all of his bearings read left to right or top to bottom, on the page, regardless of trying to keep them all going clockwise or counter clockwise around a parcel

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Posted : June 10, 2021 6:39 am
holy cow
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I prefer being able to read the text in the standard west to east position or south to north  position.  As the bearing deviates significantly I prefer to arrow in from the text to the line.  Twisting the text to always follow the line would involve rotating the drawing all over the place to read comfortably.

One thing I discourage when using the arrow in approach is to have the arrows crossing.  This can get very confusing.

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Topic starter Posted : June 10, 2021 7:01 am
FL/GA
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Pre-retirement and working with production builders, all lot surveys, plot plans, finals, etc. were on legal size sheets with the lot and house positioned so the front of the house faced the bottom of the page. North arrows pointed every which way. No standards as far as I’m concerned. 😎 

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Posted : June 10, 2021 9:05 am
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Norman Oklahoma
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This is an excerpt from the Clackamas County Surveyor website. The standards are common to all 3 Portland Area County Surveyors. They specifically apply to Plats and Records of Survey that are submitted for recording, but I make it a general rule for maps I have control of.    

Having text oriented in all directions may make some sense in the context of being a basemap for engineering design. Certain design sheets and details, which the topo base is a background for, may have irregular orientations. 

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Posted : June 10, 2021 9:31 am
oldpacer
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@norman-oklahoma   Nice to know I would fit in 'survey wise' in Portland. Socially I would be an outcast as soon as I open my mouth.

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Posted : June 10, 2021 10:40 am
dmyhill
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@norman-oklahoma

Washington state states that the left side when viewed in landscape orientation must have a 2" margin. I suppose that is a vestigial requirement from when they used to actually bind them in books.

So, we know where the left side is...we have that at least.

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Posted : June 10, 2021 12:24 pm

thebionicman
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@dmyhill

Idaho has a similar requirement. Many of our counties still hang the surveys in cabinets.

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Posted : June 10, 2021 12:36 pm
Jon Payne
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Posted by: @holy-cow

As the bearing deviates significantly I prefer to arrow in from the text to the line.

I don't think I've ever seen a drawing using this method of labeling for all of the calls.  I may have to label one this way just to see how I like it.

I usually try to have all text read left to right except for the bearings and distances which run with the direction of the line.  Sometimes, I rotate labels because I like to place a descriptor for corners found right at the corner so there is no need to go read the legend to know what is supposed to be there.  If the line run in such a way as to block the text, I'll rotate the descriptor so as to not crowd the lines.

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Posted : June 10, 2021 12:51 pm
holy cow
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Say you have a line running roughly 45 degrees to the west of north.  It isn't readable from the standard front view or the turned-counter-clockwise view.  So, having the standard left to right text and an arrow pointing to the midpoint of the subject line is preferable, in my humble opinion.  Personally, I would not use the twist text option discussed above on any line running to the left more than 20 degrees from north.

When possible, I also attempt to label both sides of lines being used in two descriptions but  reading backwards to each other.  As in, north 45 east in one description and south 45 west in another description.  I know some firms never do this.  I have seen cases where every line is either running south-something-west or north-something-east regardless of what terms are being used in the description.  This is highly confusing to clients and newbie employees in a variety of offices where surveys are used.

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Topic starter Posted : June 10, 2021 3:07 pm

BushAxe
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@holy-cow

I’d be interested in seeing an example of what you have described. 

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Posted : June 11, 2021 3:02 am
holy cow
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@bushaxe

This is not one of mine, but, it shows a very readable presentation.

 

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Topic starter Posted : June 11, 2021 7:23 am
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