My Patience Is Wearing Thin
A client forwarded this question today from the surveyor on a construction project for which I prepared the pre-design topo:
We need to know what is meant specifically by the description “monument well.” Is it the top of the monument well lid that was tied in? Or, was the monument well opened and the monument inside tied in. We need to know which of these two scenarios is correct so that we do not provide bad vertical data on the construction stakes.
The site is on a large university campus that has a fairly robust survey control network referenced to NAD83/NAVD88. My topo listed 3 campus control points with 3D SPC coordinates. The descriptions are those provided by the university system. The site is largely existing hardscape with abundant site elevations shown on the topo. I thought that any minimally-competent surveyor could determine the answer to this question in a matter of minutes with one or two check shots, but maybe I'm expecting too much.
A few days ago I got the question "Where are these points located?," and I answered that without snarky reference to the fact that anyone looking at the plans or equipped with a functional RTK system ought to be able to walk right up to them.
I can't imagine what the next question is going to be.
That would require the one asking the question (or his designee) to leave the comfort of his/her office to take a look at the REAL WORLD that exists.
A standard issue with monument wells is that the monument is set by a surveyor (we hope) but the monument well structure is placed by someone(s) on the construction crew. I have found situations where the monument is at the very limit of being able to take a plumb shot. Our county ran into a strange situation with a monument well installation. During reconstruction of a county road "someone" decided water would flow better if a new underroad culvert were installed about 50 feet south of where the one being removed was located. Guess what. That was precisely where the quarter corner monument was to be reset in a monument well. Installation of the monument well took place after the road was completed and all asphalt was in place. The construction crew set about installing the monument well and discovered how shallow the top of the culvert was. They literally had to saw off a large portion in order to set it. The bar installed is barely below the bottom of the lid and is definitely shorter than the standard.
Jim, please tell me you essentially ignored this and it went away...?
hypothetical reply "The nature of your question leads me to believe my answer will not be enough to prevent bad information being put on the construction stakes."
Since the questions were routed to me via the university PM, I kept my responses helpful and civil. Had they come directly from the construction surveyor I might have gotten a little lecturey.