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Field Dog
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@rover83 

That sounds freakin' outstanding! Unfortunately, we don't have StarNET. We use Carlson Survey inside AutoCAD Civil 3D and Topcon MAGNET Tools. I'm very fortunate to have been granted access to this software. Do any of those have the function that you describe? 

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Topic starter Posted : September 18, 2021 6:37 pm
JMH4825
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Posted by: @field-dog

We use Carlson Survey

I’m pretty sure Carlson survey comes with SurvNet.  

I normally take a GPS shot on new OP, double my angles to the new OP, or take another side (check) shot on a known point from the new setup.

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Posted : September 19, 2021 11:15 am
Norman Oklahoma
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@jmh4825 

Carlson Survey does include SURVNET, which is a fairly close facsimile to StarNet in a lot of ways. I'm not certain that it has the pre-analysis function that Rover83 described.

I've been a religious StarNet user for 25 years and I've only used the pre-analysis once. That was for a proposal on a monitoring job - where we wanted to prove to the architect what kind of effort his 0.01' specification was going to require to meet. We didn't get the job because somebody who didn't do the per-analysis underbid us and, I suppose, the client just accepted what they got from them.        

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Posted : September 20, 2021 5:40 pm

Jim Frame
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Posted by: @norman-oklahoma

We didn't get the job because somebody who didn't do the per-analysis underbid us and, I suppose, the client just accepted what they got from them.   

This has happened to me more times than I can remember.  Negligence and incompetence -- and sometimes fraud -- get rewarded more often than we'd like to think.

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Posted : September 20, 2021 6:25 pm
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Murphy
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@norman-oklahoma 

I've had a similar scenario play out.  It's extremely frustrating to watch simple lies triumph over complicated truths.

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Posted : September 21, 2021 5:00 am
Rover83
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@murphy 

True, same thing has happened to us. But when we do snag the job, the preanalysis has saved our bacon. Many a client has tried to get out of paying for monitoring work, only for us to point to our accepted 10-20 page proposal explaining exactly what it would take in time and money to achieve desired results.

I guess I don't know how someone who knows nothing about monitoring methodology, error or precision is allowed to write RFPs or specifications for such things.

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Posted : September 21, 2021 6:19 am

JPH
 JPH
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@norman-oklahoma 

Well, in fairness, I've had requests from architects, builders, and even engineers asking for that kind of precision on things that don't really require it, and they're not even sure what they're asking for when they do.  1/8"?  Really, is that what you really want?

I don't lie to them, tell them that they don't need it that tight to build their walkway or garage, and leave that out in my proposal.

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Posted : September 21, 2021 6:19 am
Norman Oklahoma
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@jph 

There is a larger story built in within my brief encapsulation. It was in my first week of a new job. The survey manager was an absolutely cracker jack at small boundaries and plats but knew nothing of precision work or construction staking. The other PLS, who had been there longer than anyone, didn't want the job so he sabotaged the proposal.  

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Posted : September 21, 2021 11:44 am
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