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[Solved] Losing my last few brain cells....

Jitterboogie
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So I was having an awesome time collecting my SX12 TOPO  without a care in in the world....until every single station setup is 0.433 out of tolerance.

I've swapped the setting both ways, and get nothing but the same thing after recalculating the project.

Who can help this dyslexic naredowell figure out which direction I didn't get the setting right for Trimble's "True Height" versus "Bottom Notch" puzzle because I'm about to stick my head into the oven and go take a nap.

Access 2021.20 (21.20.122)

TBC 5.60.1

TYIAFAHYCP

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I found the target information panel finally....

And still can't believe that I'm reading the lever of the V10.

Thank you for your time and effort.

The collective "Ha" I received from the ether got me to try harder to unpeel this damn onion.

 

Carry on....

 

 

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Topic starter Posted : January 14, 2022 1:55 pm
Rover83
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Hey at least you caught it. We've had crews that didn't write down what they did and couldn't remember what they did only 24 hours prior. Some of em change their method each time they start a job. 🤔 

Dunno what the problem is. It's always been de rigueur to write down both method and measure up for GNSS, conventional should be no different. Leica had the hook tape for a "direct" measure up, but you still have to input the hook model/offset or it's going to be wrong.

Posted by: @jitterboogie

And still can't believe that I'm reading the lever of the V10.

Do you mean the SX notch of the traverse kit? I believe using Lever of V10 is going to apply a different offset...

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Posted : January 15, 2022 6:36 am
Jitterboogie
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@rover83 

Thanks for the response. I will always be diligent to jot down my field operations This was the rare exception because everyone here is all digital, and I was gleefully skipping along the first day of the project not using the old school field book and it bit me.

Yeah. It was under the target height selection, just funny that they are still listing it. I worked at one of the four places that actually bought and used it.

I also figured out what I screwed up. GRID(OFFICE) shot imported, screwed up the free scan measure up (true height) and then the brain I have is broken in both good and devious ways, memorized the exact opposite of the standard Trimble drop down.

Not the end of the world, but not as easy as just unselected or switch flipped.

 

Fun to get out the cob webs diving into a project I didn't have the benefit of being in the planning and scoping for.

Happy Saturday!

 

And I was able to acquire the Trimble tent Pole HI measure up tool because I'm not a fan a tape for precise.

 

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Topic starter Posted : January 15, 2022 11:25 am

BStrand
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Strange that your data collector even shows the lever extension with the robot.  The collectors I'm using don't even give the lever extension option after choosing the robot style.

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Posted : January 18, 2022 7:06 pm
Jitterboogie
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@bstrand 

I was in TBC.

Something happened when I was using the other data from a different day in the job, and I used a short prism for a WFH shot on the top Pentagon Valve Nut.

That shot is .445 true height  

The Trimble measurement for S notch or SX notch is .432.....

I've revamped my collection routine and a few Nevers are being indoctrinated and ingrained into the new routine.

They have too many easy to flip accidentally or even by software glitch(I never selected anything, but the busy was real and I used the optical spreadsheet to seek and destroy, slow but effective...)

Best I can tell, my previous data as imported was treated as all office entered points and something decided to add the .432 to all of the shots I added or referenced.  

User error. And boy howdy I learned that by losing sleep, and also being 100% certain that my chances are almost zero that I'll do that again....

The really painful part was the majority of the shots that were out were just utilities and only just extra GND  shots in their bonus.

Weeding out the TBC FL and Lip that were busts took forever, and because it's a bridge, I had nothing to do but the right way only way, and kept my learned standard of practice for being able to defend the data and the methods to any other person who challenges the validity of the results.

Time to crash.

Next project is due Thursday.

 

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Topic starter Posted : January 18, 2022 10:21 pm
JPH
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@rover83 

Posted by: @rover83

Leica had the hook tape for a "direct" measure up, but you still have to input the hook model/offset or it's going to be wrong.

Do you even use that thing?  I took a look at it once, and just tossed it aside.  Typical of Leica, coming up with a device that's supposed to be more accurate, but in reality is something that has more of a risk of introducing additional human error into a process.

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Posted : January 19, 2022 5:11 am

Rover83
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Posted by: @jph

@rover83 

Posted by: @rover83

Leica had the hook tape for a "direct" measure up, but you still have to input the hook model/offset or it's going to be wrong.

Do you even use that thing?  I took a look at it once, and just tossed it aside.  Typical of Leica, coming up with a device that's supposed to be more accurate, but in reality is something that has more of a risk of introducing additional human error into a process.

Not usually, but for the few NGS projects that I had Leica receivers, it was easier to have all our observation logs show ARP measurements.

I don't mind really having a direct measurement doodad, but the fact that it's bulky and requires a special tribrach puck, plus a special tape measure to work properly was a bit annoying. Unlike the Trimble lever arm, if the height hook got banged around too much it just wouldn't work very well.

I am OK with having the software process the slant height and apply the offsets, since that keeps me from having to compute it myself manually, which is more of a risk in my experience. It does mean that collection and notes have to be detailed and correct, but that's no different than any other day.

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Posted : January 19, 2022 6:37 am
FairleyWell
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@jitterboogie Instead of using the Optical spreadsheet, you can go into project explorer/properties to make the changes.  You just have to select similar shot types to be able to make the changes in the properties menu.  Hopefully this will help speed things up.

 

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Posted : January 19, 2022 12:34 pm
Rover83
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@fairleywell 

I'm a fan of Advanced Select myself, for anything more than a handful of items. One of the more under-utilized tools in TBC, like QSelect in C3D. Being able to iteratively select and narrow down the items is really handy.

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Posted : January 19, 2022 1:45 pm

Jitterboogie
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@fairleywell 

500+ shots.

Traverse was simple and easy, it was the volume of topo shots and multiple set ups on different days and different stations that crushed me.

Thanks for your support and suggestions too, I add all of them into my try this next time toolbox.

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Topic starter Posted : January 19, 2022 1:56 pm
FairleyWell
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@jitterboogie I get it, large topo projects are a pain!  At least you are doing things correctly.  I see a ton of surveying and engineering firms that refuse to pay for something like TBC.  Their crews are the best and don't need any QC...  They only work with the csv files exported directly out of the data collector.  Kind of like playing hot potato with a grenade.

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Posted : January 20, 2022 9:22 am
Jitterboogie
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@fairleywell 

...with stick-um like Lester Hayes used....

 

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Topic starter Posted : January 20, 2022 11:25 am

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