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holy cow
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But when a roof has a slope of 4/12 everyone just uses inches on the square.  No need for those danged never ending decimals.

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Posted : August 3, 2022 5:44 pm
RADAR
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Posted by: @aliquot

What was the point of the American Revolution?

A bunch of rich men, didn't want to pay their taxes...


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Posted : August 3, 2022 5:47 pm
holy cow
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All they had to do was stop drinking tea.

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Posted : August 3, 2022 6:19 pm
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James Fleming
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Posted by: @aliquot

What was the point of the American Revolution?

Given that the metric system is a child of the French Revolution, and looking at how that turned out, I'm cool with what we got

Reign of Terror - Wikipedia

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Posted : August 4, 2022 6:03 am
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MightyMoe
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I shouldn't have mentioned the spiral nightmare ROW was infused with meters, it's not much better if the mess was created using the foot.

Point being: use a simple curve for the ROW, do whatever for the construction of the Highway, the resulting centerline for the ROW isn't going to vary much from the construction centerline when properly done. And jogging the ROW a few feet passed the TS out 30?

Saved the payment for 150sqft at $1k per acre of pasture land but added an extra headache writing the description and added another concrete monument at $150 or whatever they cost back then, plus the time installing them.

Just jog at the PC and PT when it's a little bigger. If you need land beyond the PC or PT sure, add the extra monuments. What is also fun about this project is that the acquisition deeds are written backwards from the stationing. The stations run west to east the deeds are written east to west. Fun times. Almost every spiral has a jog. 

 

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Topic starter Posted : August 4, 2022 7:06 am
RADAR
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Posted by: @mightymoe

The stations run west to east the deeds are written east to west

They (bureaucrats) don't care; they don't have to do it, just make sure it gets done...

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Posted : August 4, 2022 7:45 am

Joe the Surveyor
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Metric is awful!

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Posted : August 4, 2022 8:35 am
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RADAR
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@mightymoe 

Unqualified bureaucrats, making policy on types of things, should be against the law...


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Posted : August 4, 2022 8:41 am
350RocketMike
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@joe-the-surveyor 

LOL.

Being in Canada all of the carpenters still stick with the old feet and inches bs. I had one of the least educated site supers I have to deal with asking me about an elevation and when I have him the elevation in metric (which all of the plot plans done by their engineers are also in) he arrogantly said "what's that English"? To which I replied "you mean in American?"

 

 

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Posted : August 5, 2022 4:30 pm

Mark Mayer
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Posted by: @350rocketmike

Being in Canada all of the carpenters still stick with the old feet and inches bs. I had one of the least educated site supers I have to deal with asking me about an elevation and when I have him the elevation in metric (which all of the plot plans done by their engineers are also in) he arrogantly said "what's that English"? To which I replied "you mean in American?"

That will persist as long as Canadian lumber mills continue to produce in nominal imperial dimensions so they can "dump" building materials on American markets.  😉    

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Posted : August 5, 2022 5:51 pm
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 jbw
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Posted by: @mightymoe

This should be a rule for every designer: Surveyors that don't do construction should never have to deal with a spiral curve. 

It should be carved in stone and put at the entrance to all highway/railway engineering offices!!!!

Now, back to the horror of my morning computations,,,,,,,,,,IN METRIC!!!!!

 

What is the proper way to draft a spiral curve?

 

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Posted : August 6, 2022 4:29 am
Sergeant Schultz
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Some years ago NYSDOT had a brief failed romance with the metric system. 4 rod roads now had a 20.1168m ROW, & other foolishness.

Did some layout on a metric highway job.  Wasn't a big deal for us, the GTS 3B would output meters, and the hp 41 didn't care.  The carpenters & concrete guys had folding rules; metric on one side, feet & inches on the other.  They'd look at the plan, mark the metric dimension on the metric side with their thumbnail, then flop the rule over to translate.

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Posted : August 6, 2022 4:54 am

Murphy
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Posted by: @james-fleming
Posted by: @aliquot

What was the point of the American Revolution?

Given that the metric system is a child of the French Revolution, and looking at how that turned out, I'm cool with what we got

Reign of Terror - Wikipedia

Two thumbs up on 19 Thermidor CCXXX

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Posted : August 6, 2022 5:09 am
BStrand
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@joe-the-surveyor

I wouldn't say it's awful but I do think it gets a silly amount of hype.

It's basically the breaking bad of math. 😒 

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Posted : August 6, 2022 5:51 am
MathTeacher
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@aliquot 

It's the American way. When I was in college, I could legally drink beer, but I couldn't legally vote. Today, college kids can legally vote but they can't legally drink beer. We made counting money easy but measuring little bitty stuff hard.

See, for us, it's change that's important, not results. We have three systems for everything: The one we're on, the one we just left, and the one we're going to.

Repeat: It's the American way.

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Posted : August 6, 2022 8:12 am

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