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OleManRiver
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@smarbe2 I have not. Last time I ran survey pro was on a tsce. And a reckon. Also still have my TDS survey pro card for my hp48gx. Lol. I remember Trimble bought them out are they doing away with survey pro now.  Or morphing it into something else. 

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Topic starter Posted : June 24, 2022 2:11 pm
R.J. Schneider
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Really like the Juniper Allegro series running Carlson SurvCE. I know that's not part of the conversation, they are every bit as intuitive as Trimble's Access. 

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Posted : June 24, 2022 2:49 pm
jim.cox
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Posted by: @smarbe2

We are a Survey Pro shop Trimble robots and Spectra SP 85's. We are currently using Ranger 3's with Survey Pro. We are looking into the Ranger 5 has anyone used the Origin Max software yet?

@smarbe2 Origin is Access configured to only connect to SP instruments and with a few features disabled and a different splash screen

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Posted : June 24, 2022 3:15 pm

azweig
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@jimcox If purchased from a Trimble dealer, you can purchase the Trimble drivers for Origin, but once you purchase the drivers and Origin Max, you are over the cost of Trimble Access which runs all of the equipment out of the box.

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Posted : June 27, 2022 7:20 am
OleManRiver
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I did get to hold a TSC5 yesterday side by side with a TSC7.  I could see the TSC5 much better than the TSC3. I have loved the TSC3 its my eyeballs don’t work with it anymore and I can’t justify the cost to try and get it in working shape as the touchscreen has to be recalibrated several times a day and I have to re boot it to get the tough screen to even work. The number 7 key is kicking my arse as it either has to be pressed and held to work or all of a sudden it works and i have several 77777777 that are not needed lol. I will be checking out the TDC6000 one next week. The company is contemplating having two dc’s so on some jobs and he robot could be ran and gps. So I figured maybe the TSC5 and TRC6000. Might be a good combo. Use the phone TDC600 with gps. And TSC5 with robot.   Or TSC7 with robot. I still want to check out those no keyboard tablets things as well. That way if I ever get a sx10/12 i will have the big screen. 

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Topic starter Posted : July 1, 2022 7:14 am
Dave Karoly
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The TSC5 issue we are having lately is it involuntarily restarts 5 or 6 times a day and when that happens half the time it dumps the last stored shot. The TSC3s were nearly bulletproof, the thing restarted once or twice in 5 years.

R12s are great but they can’t stay in calibration, really aggravating. I turn it off in the controller but the supposedly leaning shots still show up in TBC. I’m not willing to calibrate the stupid thing 35 times a day.

I had to increase the tilt tolerance to 1.1 foot because I leaned it over a well head for one shot. What kind of world does a dumb electronic device live in where we take a tilted shot and don’t care? It would be nice if TBC would allow me to ignore a flag, seems like it used to.

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Posted : July 1, 2022 3:21 pm

OleManRiver
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@dave-karoly I am with you on the TSC3 being a bullet proof dc. Ours i use is one of the first releases. Its just in need of repair. I also have been frustrated with the bad updates lately from Trimble access is buggy and Trimble Business Center. They need to go through some agile/scrum training and figure out why it’s been so buggy. I don’t remember survey controller being as buggy. It had some issues and a quick fix was needed a few times for sure. Thank you for the info on TSC5. I will make sure I study on that before we make a purchase.  Also the R12i. I have used 2 different systems with R12i for a couple days at a time testing. I did some time in motion studies using tilt vs non tilt on roadways. The tilt doesn’t seem like much time savings but it fooled me. It was a great time saver. I was very skeptical at first. I will be testing it more before I make my recommendations. I will be getting a javad system as well going to put it through the ringer. And they want me to test the carlson brx7. Currently they are a Trimble shop. I said if we are looking at making a overall change lets test them all for our work. If we are just wanting to upgrade a few really no need to reinvent the wheel just stick with Trimble.  But the javad has their eyes. Work in canopy.   I have used the r12i in to 500 plus feet into canopy and was actually surprised at how well it performed. I checked existing control and existing stakes . I staked lease limits 3.4 times more productive than a robot s6 in same area on existing control. I upped the topo to 15 seconds and a few extra epochs from default. Watched the sky plot and list manually enabled and disabled sats to my liking. Based on new gps block sats. Snr elevation and geometry. The largest error i had was in a hole 135 ft below base elevation and to a known control point. Was delta north .25 delta east .05 and delta elev .11. I also moved the base and re shot half of what I staked as a extra ck. All points were also shot from robot. I did not have imu enabled in canopy though recommended by Trimble rep. I am still concerned of using gps in trees and only relying on the h and v precisions and manufacturers fixes. But i am convinced with some proper established field procedures one can almost eliminate the robot in many situations . Its a tool just have to figure out just how to use it in a hostile environment. Oh and the test were done two different days and making sure of a 4 hour gap in time from one day to next so constellation was completely different on any given point and base being moved on same day with minimum of 1 hour gap to any point per rtk guidelines from ngs . Time is the biggest friend of gps/gnss measurement’s.  On that note after about 1430 est. i see issues with GLONASS lately. I usually disable them from my solution at that time of day for a couple hours. Any of yall seeing anything like that. I am on east coast also. 

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Topic starter Posted : July 1, 2022 6:52 pm
Jitterboogie
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@olemanriver 

Cool trick with 12i is you can check into the base with no issues.

😎

 

Long live the TSC1.

SLOW but tough as nails and consistent.

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Posted : July 1, 2022 7:03 pm
OleManRiver
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@jitterboogie now i have not even thought of that lol. TSC1. Man I ran those things. I had a 4000ssi or sse on my back enough cables that i could lay the pack down and wade into the middle of a creek to get a rtk shot.  They were tough and i know where one is that still works. No on the fly initialization when I first started. Cam corder batteries and small motor cycle batteries for rtk and ppk  . At the base was a marine battery or 2 lol. I even remember the 4800. Batteries built into the rod integrated antenna and receiver. was the first one we had with OTF enabled. I thought i could map the world. Boy have things changed. Now we have more power ram and memory in our hands than our office computers back then. I even broke out my slide rule the other day to play around. It was given to me when i made i man. For quick calcs. By and old grumpy party chief. Now I have to take my shoes off to add and subtract.  

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Topic starter Posted : July 1, 2022 7:12 pm

Dave Karoly
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@olemanriver the R12i is awesome except the tilt thing, I may see if I can disable the tilt function using the web interface. On a Topo shot it notifies right away, for whatever reason on an observed control point it lets you stand there for 3 minutes and tells you at the end, stupid if you ask me. And generally it is plumb, just the tilt meter is out of calibration AGAIN.

I’m not sure what’s going on with the restarting of the TSC5. It didn’t do it when new. Either a bad battery dropping voltage momentarily but I’ve noticed Access hangs and won’t respond, maybe me poking it pisses it off causing it to restart. Possibly if I was more patient it wouldn’t. We had a Leica P50 that does the same thing, have to be very careful about excessive touch screen touches when it’s in Leica pause. When controlling it with an iPad it isn’t an issue, only the onboard touch screen.

sorry a lot of people I know love Android but it’s file explorer sucks. I have one TSC5 which refuses to recognize the usb flash drive until I restart it, the other one doesn’t do that but they can be slow. It’s a phone operating system, not ideal for a computing device.

TBC on the other hand is great, I have no issues with it but I’m pretty particular about work flow. So I haven’t had any issues with glitches.

it seems like everything we use has glitchiness, I’m a big Microsurvey fan but the new version fixed some things and broke others. Their help people are very helpful, they helped resolve the latest issue with a few setting changes.

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Posted : July 1, 2022 8:46 pm
OleManRiver
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@dave-karoly gotcha.  So if you want to plumb the rod and not use the tilt imu. Just turn it off on access.  I think click the receiver head and it will take you to a screen of options imu is one of them and you can turn it off there.  There is also a setting I can’t remember where but i was having to recalibrate every 15 minutes. Or something crazy. So I started poking around and found where you can tell it how often you want it to recalibrate and tolerances. I have only used them a few days so I am no expert. We have a r10-1. And that darn e bubble and magnetic tilt thing drives the other crew chief nuts.  He only uses it once every couple weeks and has to go through the calibration. But i read it’s supposed to be done like that. He is one of those that wants to turn something on push a button and it work the same always.  He hates gps. Coordinates are coordinates.  He cusses and fights it instead of reading and learning about it. Hopefully this helps you some. You have helped me I wrote down the issues you said you were having so I remember to watch for the issues when I began testing again. I just got out of some surgery Friday so have to take it easy for a few days.  And I have hay to cut and sitting here in the house is driving me nuts lol. But some needed study time for PS exam has been accomplished. And I have been able to get on here and read a bit.  I would be burning up my dealerships phone for support if i was having problems. I will try and read through a manual some tomorrow about the r12i tilt.  I read parts of it before I tested the unit. But i have slept since then. So I forget.  Working with GPS stuff is like a woman. You need to be patient and not go in to fast. Nice and easy and it will warm up properly.  Stop poking lol.  I beat my keyboard so i cant say much. I swear there is a gremlin on the number pad that moves the keys around often.   

 

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Topic starter Posted : July 1, 2022 9:06 pm
lukenz
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@olemanriver 

A write up on the results of testing the three GNSS systems would be much appreciated by all I'm sure if you can!

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Posted : July 2, 2022 1:08 am

Jitterboogie
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@dave-karoly 

Android is just the platform, and in the original kernels awesome. Now it's crap just like Windows and Mac, spun up to scurry our data away to all paying entities wanting it for their own uses.

Trimble releases horrible and at times disabling software updates and patches. It's all part of their plan unfortunately. Hang in there, the next improvement patch is already being manipulated.

As for the IMU, you can go to the icon in the active job screen along the top bar and click on the base/Rover icon to disable, and depending on which ACCESS version a variety of different things you can do to tune or calibrate the e bubble or the IMU or both.

 

Good luck..

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Posted : July 2, 2022 4:28 am
Joe the Surveyor
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@smarbe2 I'm curios myself about the Origin software...I also use the 7 with Survey Pro...SP80s and a focus 35.

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Posted : July 2, 2022 4:28 am
OleManRiver
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@lukenz I will try and put a little something together here. It’s mostly for the company and it is not the most scientific approach. I would love to have all 3 at one time and really set up a test.  I am more focused on what procedures to ensure good results along with productive uses and practical for folks to use daily.  But I will if and when I get all 3 tested. I imagine truthfully they all end up with about the same results. Just have to figure out how to use them  properly.   Of course we all can fall into the different bullet point traps of the marketing from each. And all the buzz words.  Like ford vs chevy powerstroke vs cummins lol.  Now its x amount of channels Processors pro point. Sure point.  Lol. All 3 will have their own pros and cons. And if one is way out front the gap will close at some point.  

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Topic starter Posted : July 2, 2022 5:52 am

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